Letters patent issued in 1917 (and still remaining in force today) assign a princely status and the style of Royal Highness to all male-line grandchildren of a monarch. Therefore, all else being equal, Louise would have been styled as Her Royal Highness Princess Louise of Wessex. However, when her parents married, the Queen, via a Buckingham Palace press release, announced that (in hopes of avoiding some of the burdens associated with royal titles) their children would be styled as the children of an earl, rather than as princes or princesses. Thus, court communications never refer to her in terms of a princess of the United Kingdom, but simply as The Lady Louise Windsor. There are two opposing opinions as to whether or not Louise is “legally” a princess and Her Royal Highness: Some experts consider the Queen’s press release to not have enough legal force to override the 1917 letters patent, whereas other experts contend that the Queen’s will, however expressed, is law in matters of royal titles and styles. If the latter is the case, then the 1960 letters patent is also applicable and Louise bears (but is seldom styled with) the surname Mountbatten-Windsor.
This stuff is FASCINATING. Man, I’ll have SO MUCH to learn when I marry Prince Harry.
In addition, when Prince Philip dies, Prince Edward will be created Duke of Edinburgh – at the moment he’s way behind his brothers as lowly Earl! (Behind Dukes and then Marquesses).
best answer ever, i love it!
All of these Jubilee events have gotten me to thinking – the queen needs a belt. Something to give her a waist, rather than a nebulous space between her legs and her breasts.
I really hope you’re right, and Kate’s giving Camilla style advice. She has consistently looked much better, though I’m hoping for a day when she gives up those giant hats.
(Still, her hat was better than Zara’s. Holy Moses.)
Yes! Camilla looks great but her hat choices only make her look a lot wider! She always has a giant saucer on her head.
I bet Kate and Harry are the fun loving siblings, and WIlls just says ‘I know I know, it’s fun, but there is business to be done’.
Slide 13…. best desert ever
Can’t wait for the Olympics!!!!!!!
The reason Sophie and Edward’s kids are not “prince” or “princess” (instead, Viscount Severn and Lady Louise) is by mutual agreement between Sophie / Edward and the Queen. So apparently they didn’t want the kids to be prince/princesses or HRHs, but are okay with the titles. By virtue of being children of male issue of the Queen, they could have been prince/princess/HRHs, but their parents decided otherwise — contrast to Princess Anne’s kids, who are not entitled to be prince/princess/HRHs because they are children of female issue (and their father did not take a title when he married Princess Anne, although he was offered one).
Clearly I spend too much time on wikipedia during these royal pageants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie,_Countess_of_Wessex
That would annoy me if I were Lady Louise. What if I WANT to be a princess?!
I believe since Lady Louise is still technically HRH Princess Louise legally speaking, she could use that title at any time. The Queen’s press release is not understood to override the Letters Patent that grant that title to Lady Louise and her brother, but merely to express the wishes of her parents and specify what she will be referred to in public and all communications. Much like how Camilla COULD be called the Princess of Wales, she (wisely and most likely under some pressure to do so) chooses to go by a lesser title.
Zara Phillips pregnancy rumours in 5…4…3…2…
Such a great post. As an American I am fascinated by the Royals (should that be capitalized?) and very envious of your extra long weekend party.
I love Kate’s dress, it’s so classy.
I also LOVE Harry and would like to thank you for so much of him this morning.
I like to think Harry adores Kate as a sister (he’s said as much) and just wants to find himself a nice girl like her rather than being in love with her. Though that would be an incredibly juicy development…
I have a really good relationship with my husband’s little brother…I adore him actually and we get along and laugh but it’s not…there is a barrier there, he doesn’t feel like MY brother, but he does feel like family – like if you had a boy cousin you’re really close to and even think is cute but you could never, because ew.
Zara Phillips looks like she has a boa constrictor wrapped around her head.
And Harry looks at Kate like he has a tiny crush on his “big sister”. I love that they all get along.
This is so gross, but I think Zara’s hat looks like a great big dog turd. And now that’s all I can see when I look at it. Rorschach test for me in one…two…three…
The heck with Princess Michael, I want to know about her ancestor, the Vampire Princess!!
She did write a book about her ancestors, Diane de Poitiers and Catherine di Medici. It was actually quite interesting reading. Perhaps when the royal party circuit calms down, she can get to work on the Vampire.
Her first book was completely panned, but the second one she wrote (Cupid and the King) appears to have received far superior reviews. So she either improved her writing and research skills in the 10 or so years between the two books, or hired a ghostwriter with talent. Either way, I’m checking out Cupid and the King, and hoping for a bio of the Vampire Princess shortly!
I’m sad to say that I didn’t even know Prince Edward and Sophie had a child! They really do fly under the radar.
My inappropriate crush on Harry continues. I am not old enough to be his mother, just aunt or older sister – so it’s OK, right?
They have two, actually. Their little boy is a Viscount.
“Viscount” is the most dashing of all the royal titles. I always picture a handsome rogue getting away with everything….
Did you watch the Royal Wedding last year? Lady Louise was one of the “mid-sized” attendants.
After all the Jubilee coverage and ridiculous amount of time spent looking at pictures of Harry I had a dream the other night that he was my boyfriend.
I have never in my entire life been so disappointed waking up.
Hahaha!!! Love it! What a bad way to wake up.
This post, on the other hand, with so much Harry, is a GREAT way. Thanks fuggirls.
The scandal loving part of me can feel the sexual tension between Kate and Harry.
The Harry loving part of me can feel the sexual tension between myself and Harry.
Not that it is a paragon of standards, but the NY Post totally hates Princess Michael. Mostly due to a horrible display at a restaurant here in the city.
Can we talk about that brooch? Because I thought I heard one of the commentators on “Today” say it was 75-plus carats.
Kjb, HM refers to that brooch as “Granny’s Chips”. It is made up of two of the most famous diamonds in the world, the Cullinan III and Cullinan IV. They total – are you ready for it? – 158 carats!
As a Canadian, I am a big fan of our Queen. And I also spend a lot of time on the interwebs following many things royal.
Thanks for the info! And holy crap! I’m suprised she wasn’t leaning to one side! It really is amazingly beautiful, though.
Check out this site: http://famousdiamonds.tripod.com/cullinandiamonds.html There’s a great close-up of the Queen’s brooch, plus info on where the rest of the Cullinan stones are. Some are in the Crown Jewels and others are also part of Her Majesty’s stunning jewellery collection. Enjoy!
BTW – have loved your site for years. Thanks, Jessica and Heather!
Love Kate’s McQueen dress (of course). Lovely, delicate, elegant, classy… you’ve heard it all before. She looks great. As does the Queen, Camilla, and Sophie of Wessex. I am less sold on Beatrice, Eugenie, and Zara, though… Zara in particular. Not a fan of the dress/hair/hat combo she was sporting– I don’t think it did her any favors. The picture in this slide show is one of the more flattering (maybe because you can’t really see the dres)… I thought it was terrible!
Love Kate, Wills and Harry together. It’s so great that they seem to get along so well and like each other (not that the older royals don’t, of course)– it’s nice to see that in public a bit.
As an English girl I have to say I unashamedly LOVED the whole thing – the pomp and pageantry, and of course the hats, frocks and shoes. And the Queen has quite the most impressive bling in the whole world – Elizabeth Taylor, who? Get down to the Tower of London if you’re over for the Olympics my American friends and check out the Royal Rocks!
Ladies you need to put up a close-up of the Queen’s brooch from Tuesday, for those of us who like a bit of bling – the two-part diamond brooch came in at over 150 carats all told. Respect for the seamstress, therefore, who managed to design a jacket that didn’t get pulled askew by the weight!
This whole time I was like, “Harry is so in love with Kate on the sly.” And then I got to the slide where Jessica suggested the same. I’ve decided it’s true, and he won’t get married until he finds his Kate. And now we know that can’t be Pippa because she marauds around France with fake pistols. Sigh.
Further, I’ve decided he went to her one night and re-enacted that “Love, Actually,” scene with the flashcards.
I had the same scene flash into my head.
If I still wrote Prince William fanfic (don’t judge), I’d totally include a scene like that.
The thought of that flashcard scene with Harry and Kate makes me giddy. That is, after all, the best scene in an already fantastic movie. But the thought of it also makes me TREMENDOUSLY anxious. I want nothing to interrupt Kate’s relationship with Will. NOTHING. Let Harry lust after Kate in silence, if he must! At least one couple at Buck House needs to have a drama-free relationship!!!!
I am too emotionally invested in these people.
(I’d still totally watch the HELL out of a Lifetime movie that included that scene, tho.)
She would never entertain such a thing! Harry must bravely love her in silence.
sarah i love everything about your comment. I never understood the obsession with princess di… but i’ll lay it all out on the table and say if kate and wills break up i will seriously lose. my. sh*t.
I’ll be his Kate. lol.
CJ, I’d say I’d fight you for it but I don’t think that would be something Kate would do. haha!
I can be his Kate! I even look like her!*
*have the same hair colour
Kate giving Camilla fashion advice? oh no, my dear, it is firmly the other way around.
“Can we talk about that brooch? Because I thought I heard one of the commentators on “Today” say it was 75-plus carats.”
Try 158 carats! They are two “chips” of the massive Cullinan diamond. http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/2012/04/queens-top-10-diamonds-1-cullinan.html
She should be using it to hypnotize the world! I can’t stop staring at it! I think the guy actually said each part was 75 plus carats but then today I was all, no, that’s impossible. They are seriously flawless. I am not usually bling crazy but DAMN!
Another OoS fan here at Go Fug Yourself? Awesome!
Yep, but that’s nothing compared to the fact that the Cullinan I and II diamonds can also be worn as a brooch. That would be 530.20 and 317.40 carats put together! Seriously, I think that needs to be worn on a strong sash, because if you tried to pin that on a piece of clothing, it would just pull the whole garment down! Not to mention give the wearer back ache. Now I just want to see what that would even look like, because I can’t imagine a brooch that big.
About Camilla, I wonder if she’s free to be more fashionable now that Kate has taken center stage (and therefore Camilla doesn’t have to worry about being compared to Diana).?
Also — Lord Frederick & Sophie — that Sophie looks a LOT like the actress who played a Princess in The Palace (available on Hulu, should you need a little Royal Diamond Jubilee Replacement Therapy) — is it the same ?
never mind! Thanks, imdb & wikipedia, yes, she is Actress Sophie Winkleman and Lady Frederick Windsor.
O my…never was a royalty fan…but damn, these pics brought me joy today. :):)
Their happiness OOOzes through my screen
Given your deep interest in the House of Windsor, you will totally enjoy — including from a fug perspective — this piece on Princess Michael of Kent’s daughter-in-law, Sophie Winkleman: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2109932/Titanic-star-Sophie-Winkleman-tells-cosy-nights-Lord-Freddie-Windsor.html via the MailOnline.
Here’s the click-friendly head: “Titanic star Sophie Winkleman tells of her cosy nights in with Lord Freddie Windsor”
She’s cute and I’m sorry her tv show didn’t make it. I hope she can get work beyond when she played Charlie Sheen’s love interest on Two and a Half Men.
Princess Michael is pretty nasty. She’s quite the snob, and recently referred to someone as being ‘half-caste’ (which apparently means ‘half-blood’ – nasty!!). The UK tabloids refer to her as ‘Princess Pushy.’
But I just love QEII. Love! And it was quite a party. As Lainey always says, the British, they keep their sh!t tight.
Prince & Princess Michael of Kent were in the news quite a bit in the late 1990s/early 2000s regarding their financial status. I remember reading they lost quite a bit of money when Baring’s Bank failed (as did Camilla). They were also criticized for living in a Kengsington Palace apartment while paying some amazingly low rent (the Queen subsidized them for a while but now they have to pay on their own). They had to sell their country estate in order to keep the apartment.
Prince Michael has been in the news lately regarding funds received from a rich Russian friend.
Princess Michael was quite competitive with Princess Diana while she was alive…
Louise is not styled a princess at the request of her parents, I believe. While technically she is a princess, she is styled as the daughter of an Earl (her father is the Earl of Wessex) presumably to give her as normal a life as possible. Similarly, the Queen’s two oldest grandchildren bear no title or style at all, as the Princess Royal and her first husband declined the Queen’s offer of a Dukedom to Princess Anne’s first husband upon their marriage, so that their children would not bear royal titles or styles. I think that shows sound judgment on the part of the parents. Although personally, I would probably be pissed of if I wasn’t a prince because my parents declined to title on my behalf…
Just to be clear: the Cranky Old American mentioned in photo 18 IS NOT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I loved Camilla’s gold Kente cloth patterned coat. And by the fact that the queen let her sit next to her in the carriage. Swoon. Everything’s going to be ok.
The Daily Mail’s fashion reviewer said about Kate’s dress something that I wouldn’t have thought of, but agree with (besides the hem being too short, she was having trouble climbing up the steps of the church): “while I loved it, the fastening of the belt, seemingly made from bias binding, is a little disappointing.” You could see the hook and eye and she rightly calls out better detailing, like pearls or embroidered loops.
Okay, so I have question regarding The Queen’s Jewels: When does she bust out all her amazing tiaras? It seems to me a Diamond Jubilee Celebration would be a fantastic time to wear one (or a different one at each event).
Signed, Ignorant American Who Loves Her Some Tiara.
You need to read the blog The Royal Order of Sartorial Splendor. Seriously. It’s tiara central. (Tiara Thursday is a regular feature!)
I love/hate you for that blog link! It’s so awesome, but I know I’ll get sucked into it and be up at all hours reading the archives.
Oh yeah, it is a MAJOR time-suck! Enjoy
Kristen, Order of Splendour is tied with the Fug Girls as my favourite daily guilty pleasures. I’ve convinced myself that being able to name all the tiaras in the world, and list their histories, is a good investment of time! I highly recommend it to all bling-lovers!
Thank you Kristin from MA! It was a close call there, I almost had to do some work at work! LOL!
Princess Michael has been pretty much disliked by the royal family from day one. She isn’t called “Princess Pushy” and there are plenty of stories about her tendency to act a bit grand for her britches.
I think its interesting that Andrew and Fergie are the only of the Queen’s kids to ask that their children be styled prince/princess. It is entirely up to the parents. Anne and Edward seem to have made the very sound decision to encourage their children to develop lives and careers separate from the monarchy. If the stories are true, Andrew and Sarah continue to push the Queen to create a bigger role for Beatrice and Eugenie.
That said, I LOVED this weekend. The Queen looked like she enjoyed every minute of it and seemed to really be confident that the monarchy is in good hands with Will and Kate. And, I agree, Camilla is clearly taking fashion tips from Kate. Camilla has looked so bad for so many years there’s no other explanation.
Just a note, but as male-line (born from Monarch’s boys) grandchildren of the Monarch Princesses Beatrice & Eugenie were legally born Princesses of the United Kingdom (without any direction from their parents being needed). As female-line grandchildren of the Monarch, Princess Anne’s children were never going to be born as legal Princes or Princesses. They might have had the designation of Lord or Lady had her first husband accepted a title on their wedding day.
This is the same reason Princes William and Harry were designated as Princes from birth – male-line grandchildren of the Monarch.
If the Cambridges have children before QEII passes, they will be styled as Prince/ss from birth as grandchildren of the heir apparent.
When Harry marries and begets, his children will only have the titles due whatever title he is given on his wedding day. (Unless, of course, some horrific accident occurs and he suddenly is Monarch.)
Oh, and yes. I’ve spent WAY WAY too much time reading about all things royal/titled.
Actually, Harry’s hypothetical future children would also be styled Prince/Princess, as he is also a male descendant of the monarch. Had Capt. Phillips accepted the Dukedom he was offered, Zara would have been Lady Zara Phillips, and Peter would have been addressed by whatever his father’s highest lesser title was (as Edward’s son, James, is Viscount Severn).
Unless I misread the letters patent of 1917, the Princely title only extends to Male line Grandchildren not great-grandchildren of a monarch. That was the point of the letters patent so they wouldn’t have so many great-grandchildren running around with princely status. The one exception is to the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales does get the Princely title.
Yes, the Letters Patent extend to grandchildren of the monarch. For example, the Queen’s cousins, the Dukes of Kent and Gloucester, Prince Michael, Princess Alexandra and so on, are princes and princesses, as grandchildren of George V, but their children are lords and ladies, and will be even when they inherit the dukedoms and such. If Harry had a child right now it wouldn’t be a prince(ss), but would be a lord/lady (assuming he was married and granted a title like Duke of Wherever). When the queen dies, though, and Charles becomes king, Harry’s child would be promoted to prince(ss) as a grandchild of the monarch through the male line. If William and Kate had a son right now he would be prince, as the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales, but any additional children would “just” be lord/lady (due to his title as Duke of Cambridge), until such time as the queen dies and Charles inherits, William becomes Prince of Wales, and the whole thing starts again. It’s very complicated.
ALH, thanks for that reminder. I guess being born mid-way through her reign, I sometimes forget that HM won’t live forever…
Well, I see I’ve got some links to click when I have some time at home- ooh- JOOOLZ! If everyone is a little Irish on St. Paddy’s Day, I feel like everyone becomes a bit British during the Jubilee.
I’m very disappointed in you improper use of “fly-by.”
One of my absolute favorite parts of this weekend is the British insistence that it’s not a fly-by, it’s a “fly past.”
Fug Girls, you must you the (prim and)proper terminology!
I was just coming here to say that! A flyover is quite different, it’s a road that “flies over” another road. But I loved the post anyway, hilarious!
Well, in America it’s a fly-over, and regardless of my love of the Brits, I am still an American!
I have to take this chance to thank you for all the great work you do on this website and particularly on the posts relating to the royal family. When I was watching many, many hours of recorded BBC America Sunday (and last night), I kept thinking – “I can’t wait to read what the Fug Girls have to say about this”. You never disappoint! I enjoyed every minute of the Jubilee celebrations and reading your comments about them.
Sophie Winkleman is on Peep Show, which I LOVE. But Lord Freddie looks a bit sickly to me. I’d get more vitamin B if I was him.
I just fell down a rabbit hole and arrived at this slideshow of the Queen through the years, emphasis on HATS, and just in case Heather and Jessica and Fug Nation in general have not seen it here is the link:
Thank you SO MUCH for that photo of Harry getting excited at the flyover. I, too, was that excited watching it on tele. And don’t even get me started on the fireworks the night before.
I need to find a better picture of Princess Anne in that aqua outfit. She might look awesome. I find Princess Anne fascinating. My mind was kind of blown by the earlier picture of her on the barge in the military dress outfit, so I had to do some research on that (she has a bajilion honorary military titles, so she can wear the outfit. Apparently she also wore military formal to her grandmother’s funeral).
Loving the Jubilee coverage and all things royal. It kind of makes me wish I was British (and that I was an issue with a style)
still no crown.
All these festivities remind me of the time I was in England in front of Buckingham Palace and these two other American girls came up to me and asked me where Buckingham Palace was. I sort of stared at them with my mouth open for a minute and then, because I could not speak, I simply pointed RIGHT IN FRONT OF US. And they were like…oh…we thought it would look like a castle or like the palace in a Disney movie.
This is why Europeans hate us, methinks.
Eli, the Europeans also hate us for standing outside Buckingham Palace while a plane passed overhead remarking “Why would they build it under a flight path?”. !!!!!!!!!!!!! There are no words.
Eli, I live in Edinburgh and I once had an American girl ask me where Edinburgh Castle was…in front of Edinburgh Castle…which actually is a castle.
Jo, this makes me so sad.
I love Kate & Sophie O’s whole ensembles! LOVE, I tell you! Great pictures, by the way… So funny!
My favorite part was watching them all sing along to Tom Jones and wave their flags during the concert. I’m glad the younger ones are able to enjoy themselves and seem to appreciate who they are, if that makes sense. Of course, their tour of duty is just getting started! 20 years from now they’ll be like, Kylie Minogue AGAIN, yawn.
I am the daughter of an Englishwoman, so love for the Queen pours out of me without any effort. I will say though, that as an American I am so envious of you Brits who have something that unites all of you (or most anyway, I know there are anti-royalist types) as a nation. We are so divided in this country and being “patriotic” is now sneered at…I just cried while everyone at that concert sang God Save the Queen because it was so beautiful, and we don’t have anything like that sense of unity here. Anymore. It’s just angry politics now, and America, Herself, has been lost in all of it. So, I know some people call the royal family irrelevent, but what Queen Elizabeth gives to that country and her people is beyond price. You all are lucky, I think.
Thank you for saying this. I am tempted to save it and forward it to our national newspapers the next time they decide to bring up the topic: Why does Canada need to keep the Monarchy?
Which will be in about a month.
And look at Eugenie’s nails!
Oh dear, she really is her mother’s daughter.
“PRINCE HARRY TO WED ELDERLY, CRANKY AMERICAN” sent me into a laughing fit. Oh, thanks Jessica. I needed that.
HW, thanks! It’s Big Suse, yay!
Thank you for all the coverage – I Love The Queen!
I love the picture of Kate and Wills that make him look like he has a hat in each hand.
Lord Frederich looks like he missed his last transfusion/feeding.
Princess Anne knows how to dress for these affairs! The military dress she wore on the barge was awsome – and that aqua outfit is smashing.
Who doesn’t love a fly-over!
Harry is obviously the younger brother to Kate’s older sister, so please don’t start that rumor.
Some of you people know way more than is required about British pearage. Wow.
Did I mention I Love The Queen? In icey aqua from head to foot. (although I always have compassion for her feet – she always walks like her feet hurt.. Poor Queen.)
Lady Louise is Lady Louise because they didn’t want to burden her with the duty of having a royal title. I believe she gets to choose at some point or something.
The main thing I got from the second-to-last photo (the one with Harry looking delighted at the fly past), is that Kate and Will’s children (whenever they decide to have them, no hurry) will have excellent teeth.
Who’s dressing Prince Charles these days? Mayor McCheese?